Todd Bentley, Patricia King, and Emma the angel of light
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- The Hidden Darkness Exposed
- Todd Teaches that we can buy the anointing. See my "Loop Hole of the Kingdom" blog entry.
- Read a first hand testimony of a Todd Bentley conference in San Antonio Texas on my wife's blog entry of .
- Do Miracles validate a ministry?
- Vision of the Acid Cloud
- Put Down Your Bibles
- David Wilkerson - On Manifestations
- Todd Bentley - Body Guards
- Todd Bentley - The Deception
- Christian Civil War - a reply
- The Greatest Carnival Show On Earth
- Andrew Strom - An Insider's Warning
While I was seeking the Lord about Patricia King (in 2003), I had a dream about Todd, who I hardly knew anything about, let alone the connection to Patricia. I was confused at the time, because I was expecting revelation on Patricia, not Todd. But, the apple does not fall far from the tree. I thought my wife had told me that he was taught by Patricia King, who actually came out of the occult. But, she says she didn't say that. Hmmm. I also heard that while in the occult, she had supernatural signs and wonders as well. But I will not speak of her any further than that. And you can consider the last couple of sentences hearsay, as it could simply be rumours, although I doubt it. Anyhow, on to the actual revelation of emma.
In the dream there were people talking about emma. Then I heard the Lord's voice say "Emma is not one of my angels", or something to that affect. Immediately I awoke and said "Thank you Lord, now I know that emma is not of you". A friend then searched the internet for a connection of emma, after I had told him about my dream. We found that emma actually means to "embrace everything". We also found that another name for satan is "emma-o". Then later, a friend heard about emma. She instantly saw the devil, who had visited her as a baby christian. God had showed her that this devil, who had called herself the enchantress, was actually satan. So, I tied the internet stuff, to what my friend saw, and concluded that my friend and I were correct, it was Satan.
Then, my wife, who I married recently, actually went to a Todd Bentley conference. She said she felt horrible evil there. But she was being as open to the Lord as she could be. All of her friends were being touched by "god", while she was not. By the end she has having a really hard time with everything. She thought that perhaps it was her. Anyhow, he was selling "anointed" handkerchiefs there, and taking money from people so that he could pray over them. This is normal with the people on the Elijah list. They honestly believe it is okay to take money from people so that they can prophesy over them. It came as no surprise really. But I was still stunned because I had the revelation of him before I knew about any of this rotten fruit.
Is Todd Bentley or Patricia King of the devil, or are they saved? I honestly do not know!!! Are they decieved? I whole heartedly, with a fear of God in my heart, say ABSOLUTELY YES!!!!!!!! It scares me to talk about this, because we have to be careful how we speak of others. But it is still very important to warn people away from these people, at the very least. And everyone that believes there's something wrong with these people has the right to say "I have issues with those people, be careful". Just don't let it go any further than that, without REAL confirmation from the Lord. I'm talking about receiving something from Yahweh beyond "checks" in your spirit.
All of the people involved in the circle of friends, in connection with Todd, Patricia, etc, etc, always talk about the angels that come to them, and never talk about discerning whether an angel is of God or not. I can only pray, and hope, that they are saved in the end, even though their works will be burnt up.
It is critical that we do not follow men, but God alone. Men can and will lead us astray in many areas, but God never will. If we have arrived to a place that we should not be in, it is because we followed the wrong person, or came to a conclusion ourselves, that was not of God.
April 24th, 2008 - 19:50
Let me get this right. You have a dream. In the dream you hear “emma”. And because of that we are supposed to reject ministers who are having their doctrine confirmed with signs and wonders?
You were the one visited by the demon emma. You spoke it to someone else and they saw the demon.
I don’t know if you are trying to start a cult or what but maybe if you and your wife repent you can get set free of emma.
April 24th, 2008 - 19:56
Carl,
Todd Bentley is the one who has the angel emma. He admits so here:
http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html
Quote:
on her life.” — Todd Bentley
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EMMA, ANGEL OF THE PROPHETIC
Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31
Incidentially, the Antichrist will also have his doctrine confirmed by signs and wonders. Imagine that!
April 24th, 2008 - 19:56
Todd has received emma, not us. We reject emma with all authority in Christ.
April 24th, 2008 - 20:13
Carl I think you have misunderstood what was said in this post…you actually took what was said out of context to portray a twisted point of view of these people…This is what was actually said by blogger…
“In the dream there were people talking about emma. Then I heard the Lord’s voice say “Emma is not one of my angels“, or something to that affect. Immediately I awoke and said “Thank you Lord, now I know that emma is not of you“.
If you notice the person didn’t just hear the word emma and that was it…they heard the Lord tell them that the Angel that Todd Bentley talks about visiting him, Emma, is NOT one of God’s angels…So that can only mean that “Emma” is a demonic angel masquerading as an angel of light to Todd Bentley and Todd hasn’t discerned this…so please try to keep things in context when you respond or quote someone…and try not to react with a self protection reaction to cover for certain ministers you happen to like…if they are in error you should want to know the truth…not try to put down the person who is risking their reputation to warn other believers of false prophets…We shouldn’t despise it when brethren care enough to tell us things that are hard to hear…and if there is a heads up then we ought to look into it and not assume they are wrong…Will you take after the nature of the Bereans or the fool?
April 27th, 2008 - 15:12
PLease all of you, pray and love, the two better things to do when you perceive something to be unholy.
April 27th, 2008 - 20:44
Can’t disagree with that.
May 2nd, 2008 - 21:49
“Emma – overlord of hell. He lives in the Yellow Springs under the earth in a huge castle all covered in silver and gold, rosy pearls and other jewels”
Gold dust anyone?
May 3rd, 2008 - 00:01
There is not only Emma but there is also an angel called Purity in which Patricia has had encounters with and accepts. I read somewhere that Patricia et al tells everyone that she backs up everything with scripture and if she can find a scripture to back it up then it must be ok. However this is very different to ‘testing the spirits’ as per 1 John.
You can read my article here.
http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/patrica-king-the-blue-flame-and-an-angel-called-purity/
May 4th, 2008 - 14:30
Thank you so much for your letter. We are to keep our eyes on Jesus not on man or angels. Jesus is the only one who died on the cross for us.
May 4th, 2008 - 17:52
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Deborah, are you aware that Patricia King came out of an occult background? I’m just curious, because your article sure points to a “different source” for this “revelation” of hers.
May 5th, 2008 - 14:11
Hi Trent
Yip I am aware of her ‘coming out’ of ab occult/spiritualistic backround. Having said that I don’t believe she fully came out of it for if she did she would not be doing what she is doing and preaching what she is preaching. She might have at one stage in her life been sincere but alas she has thrown Jesus Christ aside for another kind of ‘power’. It’s a sad state of affairs.
May 5th, 2008 - 14:14
Sorry, typo there, should be ‘of AN occult…’ not ab.
May 7th, 2008 - 17:47
True Christianity does not leave room for the flesh, AKA this is why so many run for the counterfeit, there they can gratify the fleshly and uncrucified desires
May 7th, 2008 - 23:52
Hello Deborah
Great article. I am finding that people that get under these Todd Bentley, Patricia King, Bob Jones, Paul Cain bewitchments, get very closed minds and will not accept anything that opposes this demonic error. They get very angry about someone trying to open their eyes and will totally reject the messenger. Many are being decieved. The revival angel EMMA-O is a king from Hell that judges men… This is God’s judgment. When church people rejoice in the presence of devils, and follow demonically possessed people as leaders, they will kiss the mouth of Hell. See my article at:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2870028/STRANGE-FIRE-STRANGE-ANGELS-STRANGE-DOCTRINES
May 10th, 2008 - 09:29
Pat Holliday said that those who have listened to the ministers listed are closed minded. Ironically the same could be said about those that are attacking the ministers.
In the original post there are statements made about Emma-o but no reference. The only proof that this is demonic is the dream of the blogger and the knowledge of the friend. By the same standard you use to measure Todd, one would ask what makes your dream more from God? Also I have searched only casually so far, but have not found a statement of faith from the bloggers or reference to what ministry they are connected to. Todd is open about who he is connected to. If what you say is true, and you are trying only to warn people, my question is why is there not more openness and transparency about where you are coming from?
The blogger mentions that he doesn’t believe that this is a move of God, but aside from some speculation and rumor there is no direct reference to failed biblical theology or blasphemous activity. Are angels mentioned? Yes. Are they worshipped? Not that I have seen. If this is so, I would like to be shown where this has been stated by Todd or others associated with his ministry. Simply attacking someone for mentioning angels is not enough, because by this standard you would reject Paul, Peter, Jesus, and many Old Testament prophets who had angel encounters.
The original blogger says that with fear in his heart he believes he has to be careful how he speaks of others, yet without proof says that Pat King may still be operating in the occult. That is not the charity of God, and contradicts what you claim you are doing. The charges and accusations that are continually leveled against Todd and the other ministers are vague at best. Remember when Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin, they also only gave vague charges. If you are correct and not simply stirred by the unknown and a fear of it, then you should be able to give concise examples of blasphemy and error against God. If not than you are simply spreading malice and rumor.
May 10th, 2008 - 11:33
1. My statement of faith is the word of God. If someone feels that I have taught wrong doctrine, they can always comment about it, and correct me. If that ain’t transparency, I don’t know what is.
2. Where did Paul, Peter, or any other NT writer offer a “statement of faith” to their adversaries? Except to say that they are followers of the way! If you can provide me a reference to scripture, that validates your *religious* requirement, then by all means, I will comply.
3. I am connected to the ministry of the King of Kings and the Lord of lords, Yashua the righteous one. I have no need to be “connected” to any other ministry. I have nothing to do with the harlot church system, nor can I, in all good conscience.
4. You can always look emma-o up on the internet. I do not provide references for things that are easily searched out. If you are actually interested in truth, which I do not believe you are, then you will do your homework.
5. You obviously have not read other blog entries, such as the loop hole of the kingdom for instance, which shows that Todd Bentley is teaching heresy, which Peter the apostle outright said that people that do such things are DAMNED. So, I have the Apostles backing up what I have said. For those who read the Word, and have a relationship with Christ, they will see the truth.
6. Not only do I have the Apostles backing me up, I have the testimonies of MANY others. Many have testified, independently of me, that emma is a demon. A close friend of mine, when I mentioned emma to them, they immediately saw back to when a demon came to them, as a baby Christians, and tried to deceive them.
7. My blog is for those who want truth, and who are already on the road to truth. I do not expect those who are head long into deception to accept what I say. Why should I?
Let those who are righteous, be righteous still. Let those who are wicked, be wicked still.
Lastly, observe the demonic tattoos that Todd Bentley put on his body AFTER conversion, and beginning his ministry.
http://www.scribd.com/word/full/2909690?access_key=key-1kemdjn0fcv3×06fjfh2
May 10th, 2008 - 15:51
Your response to me shows clearly what fruits you are operating from.
Peter encourages us: “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.” 1 Peter 3:15-16
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I asked of you to supply reasons why you should be listened to more than Todd. He had many attacking his character and ministry, but he answered over and over in a spirit of gentleness and respect. Your response shows neither, and also shows that you are unable to stand the same scrutiny that you apply to others. Luke Chapter six tels us about judging others in Luke 6:37
, but goes on to say in verse 38 “For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” I believe if you are going to criticize and judge a ministry moving in the Spirit of God you should expect to answer similar questions.
To elevate yourself to the status of the apostles is presumption and pride. It was verifiable that they were disciples sent by Jesus based on multiple witnesses. Jesus confirmed his status as sent by God based on his miracles and rising from the dead. These men then formed a fellowship where they were known by each other and to all converts. Paul starts every single letter saying he is an apostle of Christ. You do not wish to identify what your fellowship is because you do not have one as indicated in your further responses. Hebrews 10:25
says “Let us not give up meeting together as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another–and all the more as you see the Day approaching.” Hebrews 10:25
When Elijah was in the cave believing he alone was the only one faithful to God in Israel God said to him, “Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him.” 1 Kings 19:18
The Lord clearly showed to Elijah he was not alone in faithfulness, and should not set himself in a cave. You asked to be shown where you are in error. It is presumptuous of you to assume that every Christian denomination is “the harlot church system.” There are many in all denominations that are part of God’s remnant and elect. No denomination has a lock on complete truth only the Father has that. You have shown that you not only judge and slander Todd and his ministry but all Christian denominations. Earlier you said, “It scares me to talk about this, because we have to be careful how we speak of others.” Yet you show no fear or reservation in naming denominations as part of the harlot church. Unless you are greater than Elijah you do not have the ability to claim supremacy over denominations.
To further show that this is in error I will point you to Romans 13
“The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment upon themselves.” Romans 13:1-2
To elevate yourself to the position where you are not accountable to anyone is not from God. That places you in error.
You also said earlier, “Thanks for the comments everyone.” Then responded to me, “My blog is for those who want truth,” So really you only want comments that agree with your position telling you how right you are. If you want only a certain select to comment, you could state that or lock out unregistered bloggers. Leaving it open says that you wish to hear from others. You are sending contradictory statements. That is double minded and the Lord says, “I hate doubled minded men.” Psalm 119:113
and in James 1:8
when speaking of doubters James says that double minded men are unstable.
In Closing I will leave you with Titus 3:10
“Warn a divisive person once, then warn him a second time. After that have nothing to do with him.” This is my second post to you trying to pull you back from your hostility to this move of God. That means I am finished
May 10th, 2008 - 16:44
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I asked of you to supply reasons why you should be listened to more than Todd.
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Tell me, how in all good reason, could I possibly persuade you of anything? You do not know me. The only way that what I say could persuade you, is if you were already on the road to truth.
2. I have not elevated myself to the status of an apostle. I have only stated that the apostles agree with me, in their writings.
3. Oh, I do have a fellowship, but it does not have a name, nor is it connected with any denomination, nor does it even have a “tax status”. But, then again, neither did any of the apostles name their ministries. But, a religious spirit always tries to attack those who are not in the harlot church system, by using that scripture in Hebrews. But, I do not separate myself, I have a fellowship.
4. I did not say that everyone in all denominations are not of God. In fact, I believe there are a few that go to church, that indeed are saved. In fact, I don’t knock them for being there, as many times it is out of ignorance. Perhaps I will get my wife to post her dream about the whore of babylon.
5. Please show me, in scripture, the greeco-roman church system, where the pastors are the head (instead of Christ), and where everyone must listen to them, and sit in a pulpit every Sunday. If you could provide some scriptures, I will start doing that immediately, without question. Did you know that Yashua spoke out very directly against the modern church system, in one of His letters to the churches? Go read about Nicolaitanes. Yashua said He HATES the deeds of the Nicolaitanes. Nico means to conquer, and the rest of the word means “laity” or “common folk”. He spoke this, because He is totally opposed to a church system that restricts Him like the one today, where there is really one leader, and they dominate, and conquer the laity.
6. Please, show me a scripture that says I must be accountable to someone. Does not the bible say we are to submit one to another? Does not Yashua say to call no man pastor, teacher, Father, etc, etc, for He ALONE is? Oh, I submit to other people’s counsel, but only if it’s clear that they are operating by the Holy Spirit, rather than the flesh. The other time I submit to a person’s counsel, is if they are right. In that case, it does not matter if they are “nice” to me or not, I must listen to truth. But, seeing that you follow a man, and a movement, that God has shown me to be NOT OF HIM, but is an ENEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (That’s what God told me), then I must conclude that I should not listen to you on this.
7. If I didn’t want people commenting contrary to what I say, my blog would not be open for comments, nor would I let your comments through. My transparency is very apparent, yet you are blind, and cannot see that. Let the blind (Todd) lead the blind.
I am glad you are finished, because you really are very divisive. It’s interesting how you falsely accused me several times. That makes you a false witness, which thing God hates. At least what I wrote about Todd was based on revelation of the Holy Spirit. In fact, that revelation came at a time when I was intrigued by Todd Bentley.
Lastly, go look up the kundalini spirit. It has all the same manifestations we see at Todd Bentley’s conference. Including flopping around like a dying fish, shaking violently, etc, etc.
Imagine you’re in the throne room of a HOLY GOD. You start flailing like a dying fish, and cackling like a maniac. What would this Holy God do to you? If you have read enough of the Word, you’d realize that these “manifestations of the kundalini spirit” are an abomination to Him, and have no part in His Kingdom.
http://www.cit-sakti.com/kundalini/kundalini-manifestations.htm
May 10th, 2008 - 21:49
I should make clear, that I am not against going to church. I believe there are *some* churches in this day and age, that would be good to go to. But, I believe they are very few and far between.
May 11th, 2008 - 11:25
Hi Mark
To make it easier for you to search on Kundalini, you can go visit my article. If that does not raise at least one of your eyebrows then I do not know what will. This article is based on Choo Thomas but it applies to Todd and every other so called ‘minister’ operating under the same ’spirit’.
Everyone likes to ask us what proof we have that Emma etc is demonic – The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. But now I am going to reverse this question and ask you; have you got any sufficient proof that Emma is truly an angel of God? And healing someone is not proof. Satan can perform miracles.
http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/choo-thomas-evil-shows-another-side-kundalini-vs-holy-spirit/