Mormons – 7 Years of Plenty and 7 Years of Famine
In June of 2003, I wrote an article to the local paper, declaring that 7 years of plenty were coming, followed by 7 years of famine. I was compelled to do it, even though I didn't want to, and before it was confirmed. I wrote it for the purpose of Christians to seriously think about what they are doing in these times, and to be prepared for the 7 years of famine. I know that for the most part, everyone just rejected what I said. Years later, I posted it on some Christian message forums, in the hopes that it might provoke Christians to prepare. You can read a writeup on it on my Seven Years of Plenty and Seven Years of Famine post.
What amazes me, is that Christians refuse to heed each other's warnings. We disregard what other members of the body say that the Lord has told them. The Mormons make us look like light weight beginners in the gospel and unity. This ought not to be so. If we do need heed the warning of a coming famine, from so many people that have prophesied about it, then we will find ourselves unprepared both spiritually and physically.
My wife recently found out that the mormon prophet has been speaking of a coming famine since 1995. In 2005, he again re-iterated that people need to prepare, and be ready for the worst. It does not appear that he prophesied, but the mormon people are taking it seriously, and listening to their prophet. Why is it that we can't do the same? Are we so hard of hearing, that we just want to believe that this time of plenty will remain forever?
Now, it's no surprise that the mormon prophet is speaking of these things. The world is already in a measure of Chaos, and it only makes sense to be prepared for the worst. The stock market can crash at any time. The food supply could fail, with a single bad famine. Major war could break out, as it usually does every few decades. So, even from a natural perspective, it makes sense to be prepared. Mormons are supposed to have a year's worth of food at any given time. So why don't we?
Now, it's also no surprise if the mormon prophet actually heard a voice telling him this. After all, angels of darkness can easily transform themselves into angels of light, and deceive people. And we all know that mormons are deceived into believing in false prophets and false angels. It's also no surprise, even if a false prophet prophesies truth, simply because the evil spirits steal the words from a true prophet, thereby causing their mouth pieces to look like true prophets.
Jeremiah 2:3
0 (KJV) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
Furthermore, the Word says that we are to know that a prophet is true (or may be true) if they prophesy truth, and also direct us towards the God of Heaven and Earth. However, if they prophesy something that comes to pass, and direct us away from God, we are to not regard that prophet. We know that the Mormon prophet is a false prophet, because he would have us believe that Yashua is a brother of Lucifer, which we know is not true. We know that Yashua IS the God of heaven and earth, and there is NO OTHER. See my Deity of Christ Proofing.
Deuteronomy 13:1-3 (KJV)
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September 22nd, 2007 - 15:21
I find your criticism of the Mormon prophet a bit harsh. If he were to prophesy famine just like Joseph, wouldn’t that help him prove he was a prophet? Your argument starts to sound a bit more like the Pharisees of the Gospels. The story told by Jesus in Luke 16
v. 19-31 surely comes to mind: “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
It seems we live in a time where we need to hear every good word from God no matter where it comes from. I don’t see why we need to draw such harsh lines among denominations. The story of the Good Samaritan was supposed to teach that just because a person does not hold the same believes as you does not mean you can ‘tlearn something from them. If my Muslim neighbor does a good deed, should I not learn from his example, or should I be stubborn as the Jews of the time and ignore the lesson because it was taught by a Non-Christian?
Concerning the Devil being the brother of Jesus, isn’t Jesus the Son of God? John 3:16
says that God sent his son (not himself) to save the world. Jesus always talked about worshiping God the Father. The Almighty God also created the person whom later became the devil. That means we are all the same realm: creations of God.
Just for the record, I don’t think Christianity holds all the answers. It holds many, but not all. It seems many Christians still follow many of the Jews’ worst habits: we know it all, we have no need of guidance other than Moses, and if God has not destroyed you for not being Christian, I will! Whatever happen to love your neighbor like yourself?
In this case, I see the Mormons are teaching something worthwhile: prepare for times of famine. They echo the same teaching of Joseph, the son of Jacob as taught in the Bible. And even though you applaud the teaching of the Mormon prophet and and the efforts of the Mormon people to follow their prophet, why must you degrade them at the same time? Your post would have been wonderful without the criticism of the Mormon prophet. It’s almost like ending the parable of the Good Samaritan with something like: “Now, Samaritans don’t usually teach good lessons, but in this case they did.” Jesus never added that proviso to his teachings. If God has spoken to you and he has confirmed his teaching through others, why does it matter who delivered the teaching? Perhaps God is trying to teach you, and through you the rest of us that God does not just call on Christians to teach his word to the human family. I believe God calls on anyone he chooses, no matter the age, gender, race, country, creed or denomination to teach his word. We should praise God anytime we feel he has touched our souls, even if it comes from the person we expect the least.
September 22nd, 2007 - 23:57
Hi Al,
Thanks for the comments. The Mormons are not our brothers in Christ. They serve a completely different God than we do. Please read my Deity of Christ proofing. Yashua (Jesus) is not a creation, and is in fact God Almighty come in the flesh. http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2007/06/10/deity-of-christ-proofing/
So, Yashua is in fact God, and is definitely not the devil’s brother.
By the way, I love Mormons, but they serve demons.
Also, not all religions lead to God. There is no other name, by which we must be saved. That name, is Yashua. Sure, we might be able to learn moral righteousness by other people’s examples. But, their way of life will not save us. Only faith in the atoning sacrifice of Yashua can do that.
September 23rd, 2007 - 09:54
In my reading of the Gospels I get the feeling that Jesus considers the Father as a separate entity. Either that or God has Multiple Personality Disorder.
I know some Christian denominations believe in a separation. The ones that come to mind are Jehovah’s Witnesses. They, like the Mormons, cause a lot of polemic in their different view of Christianity. What I don’t understand is why, as Christians we are so animate about *our* view of Christianity being the “correct one”? I can read your post on “Deity of Christ Proofing”, and then read another opinion also founded in the Bible and get completely different views. Yet, *your* view should be considered correct because it came from you. And not just you, many seem to think that way. It’s like Evangelicals have a monopoly on Jesus and salvation.
Yes, salvation comes through Jesus’ name, no matter what language or pronunciation of his name you use. I don’t think Jesus is going to quiz us on how we say his sacred name to see if we are going to be saved or not. I don’t think Jesus is going to ask specifically what assembly I attended to see if I qualify for salvation: “Oh, you were Greek Orthodox. Well, you did have a basic believe in Jesus, but you had a few details wrong. Hell for you!” For some reason that doesn’t sound like the merciful God I read about in the Bible.
I’ve been reading the Gospels lately and I have been impressed by many things. (I am currently in Luke, hence my reference in the previous post.) The Bible is so powerful in its teachings. What has impressed me the most has been the stubbornness of the Pharisees. Jesus cast out a devil and what do they say? “Well, the prince of the devils casts out his own.” He heals a man on the Sabbath and what do they say? “He broke the Sabbath! He cannot be the Son of God.” When I read your post those passages came to mind. This is how I summarize your post: The “Mormon Prophet” said something I agree with. The devil must of heard it from an angel because there is no way on earth that he could ever speak the word of God except to deceive.” Am I the only one that thinks such attitude towards non-main-stream Christians and non-Christians is the same attitude exhibited by the Pharisees at the time of Jesus?
Why do we (as Christians) think we have the monopoly on Salvation? Why do we think we have a monopoly on Jesus? Why can’t a Mormon be saved? Why can’t a Catholic be saved? Why can’t a Muslim or a Budhist be saved if he/she believes in Jesus? Why are *we* the ones that judge whether someone’s believe in Jesus is good enough to qualify for salvation? Isn’t God the judge of that?
A few months ago a Jehovah’s Witness came to my door. We agreed on somethings, disagreed on some things. My reaction was similar to yours about the Mormons: poor soul, she won’t be saved. Then I read in the Bible about how not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will enter the Kingdom of God. I read more about how Jesus said the Kingdom of God would be taken and given to those who were considered unworthy of it by the Pharisees (I can’t remember the exact reference). At that point I remembered the JW that came to my door. What if I, like the Jews, mishandled the Gospel of Christ and it was taken from me and given to the JW’s? That scared me. Then I wondered, if I am saved as I believe, and later I see that same JW standing next to me with God, would I welcome her and rejoice in her salvation, or would I feel the same apathy towards her that I felt when she came to my door? Your criticism of Mormons reminds me of that.
How would you really feel if you saw a Mormon or two in heaven? How would you feel if you saw the Mormon prophet in heaven with you? My reaction would be to question his presence there. I could be wrong, but I think your reaction and the reaction of many Christians would be the same. We would deny it, but deep inside that’s how we would feel. “Him? Here? Why?” As I think about this as I write I can hear God’s response to me at that time: “Is not the judgment of who enters my Kingdom mine alone? Who are you to decide who enters my Kingdom?”
So I ask the same things in this forum: Since when are we the judges of who receives salvation? Since when did the belief in the cross of Jesus give us the right to condemn others who don’t share our exact believes and label them as servants of demons? I have come to the belief there will be some whom we currently label non-Christians in heaven. They will be like Paul, who fought the truth until he was shown a better way. What if in the second coming many see the Lord and think the same as Paul and believe right there and then? Would we be able to let go of our pride and accept him as a true brother in Christ?
Why do we as Christians have to destroy the believes of others? Why do we have to to condemn others because they don’t share our exact beliefs? How can we claim we truly love someone and call them demon servants in the same sentence? Why can’t we (especially as Christians) be more accepting, more open, and less judgemental of our brothers and sisters, whether they are brothers in the faith or not? It seems we preach “love your neighbor as yourself” the loudest yet do it the least. I recently read Luke 18
v. 9-14: the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. I have heard a lot of Christians speak with a boastful tone because of their salvation, just like the Pharisee. I’m starting to believe that many of us are starting to become “Christian Pharisees”. If Christ were to come down again in humility to those humble in heart, would we recognize him or criticize him for not being the personification of the Jesus we believed in?
In regards to your post, let me ask a broader question. Why is it that Mormons (or any other religion) can’t have one or more good teaching we can all learn from? It seems you praise the teaching of the Mormons to prepare for times of famine, you praise their obedience to their prophet, and then you have to come and say “but that’s all the Mormons have that’s good. and even that they learned from us.” Why as Christians do we often destroy others to build up ourselves? What’s so wrong about other faiths having a portion of the truth? Why must denominations think they have the monopoly on truth? and that no other faith could be partly right?
My intention was not to defend the Mormons. My intent was to question why they must be attacked? Why can’t we say they have something good and leave it at that? Sure, we have to defend truth and right. But do we have to attack wrong in order to do it? Why do we have to cast stones to preach the word? I often wonder how much more good could have been accomplished if we would have taught love and forgiveness towards our fellow men rather than attack the Mormons, Muslim Extremists, Catholics and anyone else who believes something different during our sermons. Perhaps it would have been better to spend time preparing for a famine than reading or writing about beliefs we don’t share with the Mormons.
September 23rd, 2007 - 12:24
First off, go read that deity of Christ proofing. Just because someone can prove that Christ is not God, because they omit scriptures that clearly show that He in fact is God, does not mean they have anything. We must take the whole council of God.
Start by reading the very beginning of Genesis. Even there, God says let us make man in “OUR” image. What does that mean? It’s quite simple, Yashua, Yahweh (The I AM), and the Holy Spirit are all the ONE true God.
Also, if you read John 16
, you will see that Yashua says that He will send the comforter (the Holy Spirit) to them. Then immediately He says that He will come to them, BECAUSE He goes to the Father. See v7 and v16 together.
Also, in John 8:23-24
, Yashua declares Himself as the “I AM”.
There is only one way that anyone will stand next to me in heaven. And that is if they have accepted that God of heaven and earth as their perfect sacrifice. That is THE ONLY WAY. Read John 8
, where Yashua said that unless you “believe that I AM“, you will die in your sins.
The bible can only be understood superficially if we come at it from an intellectual, humanistic, perspective. All roads lead to heaven is the greatest of all heresies, because it prevents people from entering heaven, though they may be trying to. And, it is definitely possible to twist the Word to get this view out of it. But, it is not rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
So, if a Mormon, or a JW, were to enter heaven, it would be because they accepted Christ (God) as their perfect sacrifice.
I’m not saying this to be rude. But, you need to read the bible a lot more, if you intend to understand salvation. To deny that Christ is God incarnate (come in the flesh), is to deny both the Father and the Son.
How do we know whether a spirit is of God or not? If it confesses that Christ has come in the flesh, it is a spirit from God. If it does not, it is a spirit of the enemy. The devils believe that Christ came in the flesh. But one thing they will not admit to, is that Christ is God. That is the test of whether a spirit is of God or not.
We do not have to condemn others, nor do I; they condemn themselves, for not believing that Christ is the son of the living God, God come in the flesh.
You asked why we can’t be more accepting, more open, less judgmental, etc. Well, quite simply, that is an ecumenical teaching. Ecumenicalism is of the devil. Sure, if we have common faith in Christ, on the core issues, we can join together, and not be divided. But, when it comes to Christ (God) and Him crucified, there can be no unity on differing views. Except, in my opinion, when they are superficially differing. Love, will tell the enemy of God that they need a saviour, who’s name is Yashua the Christ. The bible says very clearly that there is no name under heaven by which men might be saved, EXCEPT Yashua’s name. Unless you accept Christ (God) and Him crucified, you CAN NOT be saved. It is love, to make that clear.
The big question is, are we lovers of the truth, or to we prefer unity, over the truth of salvation? Do we desire to allow people to enter the lake of fire, or do we dare speak the truth, that they may have the chance of life ever lasting? The later is love, the former is not.
You asked what’s wrong with other faiths having a portion of the truth. Indeed, Mormons and JWs both have a portion of the truth. That’s why they are so easily deceived, because what they believe really makes sense to their natural mind, according to the Word. The problem is that our natural mind is enmity with God. If the other denominations, which profess Christ, but are not Christian, did not have quite a bit of truth, then the enemy would not be able to deceive anyone. They would not accept the very opposite of the truth, because it’s just too far off from the truth.
Lastly, if a professing Christian does not believe that Christ (God) has come in the flesh, then they are not saved. It’s really that simple. And, they need to seek the Lord very fervently and find out how, and why, they were deceived.